Mann Info 6a, Mann / Oakes of Smethwick

Info 6a, for Mann & Oakes, Smethwick UK origins

1856 Marriage Solomnised at `the parish church` in the Parish of `St Martin Birmingham` in the county of `Warwick`
No.	When Married	Name and Surname	Age	Condition	Rank or Profession	Residence	Fathers Name	Profession of father
`292`	`November 3rd 1856`	`Frederick Mann`	`Full`	`Batchelor`	`Marina`	`William Street`	`Thomas Mann`	`Cooper`
`292`	`November 3rd 1856`	`Harriet Oakes`	`Full`	`Spinster`	`------`	`William Street`	`George Henry Oakes`	`Pump Maker`
Married in the `Parish Church` according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Estalished Church by ~~licence~~ or after `Banns` by me `J Hodges`
This marriage was solomnised between us `Frederick Mann Harriet Oakes`					In the Presence of `Thomas Oakes The mark XX of Ann Nixon`

1861 Registration District of Kings Norton

Birth in the Sub-district of `Harbourne` in the County of `Stafford`
No.	When and where born	Name	Sex	Name of father	Name of Mother	Occupation of Father	Informant	When Registered
`124`	`Sixth December 1860 Oldbury Rd. Smethwick`	`Alice Sophia`	`Girl`	`Christopher Frederick Mann`	`Harriet Mann formerly Oakes`	`Merchant Seaman`	`C.F. Mann father Oldbury Rd. Smethwick`	`Fourth January 1861`

1863 Registration District of Kings Norton

Birth in the Sub-district of `Harbourne` in the County of `Stafford`
No.	When and where born	Name	Sex	Name of father	Name of Mother	Occupation of Father	Informant	When Registered
`16`	`Sixth October 1863 Stoney St. Smethwick`	`Mary Elizabeth Oakes`	`Girl`	`Christopher Frederick Mann`	`Harriet Mann formerly Oakes`	`Mariner`	`H. Mann mother Stoney St. Smethwick`	`Thirteenth November 1863`

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1861 census gives Harriet was born after apr 1831 but
her grave gives died 8 may 1902 aged 72 which means before May 1830 A possible for Harriet is in the 1851


1851 census
Source:           HO7 piece 2055 folio ,157 page 32 enu 125
Dwelling          Court 5 , Queen street, Birmingham

Harriet Oakes, age 20 servt   born Worcester
to
Ann and John Messenger Codwainer

the catch is relationship is entered as daugt but occupation as servant which would seem to be a conflict

following her marriage in 1856 she is back home in 61


1861 census 
Source      RG 9 piece 2127 folio 39
Place       Smethwick , Harborne , Kings Norton
Dwelling    No.4 A New Street ( off Oldbury Rd.)

George H. Oakes  head   65     pump maker                Tipton Stafford
Elizabeth Oakes  wife   67                               Birmingham , Warwick
Harriet   Mann   dau    29     seamans wife              Oldbury Worcestershire
Edward    Oakes  son    23     pump maker,               Oldbury Worcestershire
John S.Simkins?  gson   11     scholar                   Smethwick Stafford
Alice S. Oakes*   gdau   4 months                        Smethwick Satafford

* Alice S Oakes is Harriet's daughter so should be MANN

IGI has another
Harriet Oakes c.04 Oct 1824
St. Martins, Birmingham , Warwick
father George Henry Oakes
mother Elizabet
Probably this child died and name reused
from IGI list it appears post 1831 records
 St Martins may be missing

St Martins Birmingham